Thursday, February 14, 2008

Quote of the Week: Religious Issues

Okay, students. Put on your thinking caps and tell me which prominent US politician said this:

However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly.
The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C," and "D" Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."
So who do you think? Ted Kennedy? Hillary Clinton? Barack Obama? Barney Frank? Former Chief Justice Earl Warren? Former Justice William Douglas?

Nope. If you identified any of the usual suspects of the right wing, you would be wrong. This is from Senator Barry Goldwater, who used to be the conscience of the Republican Party, but who sadly would not be welcomed by today's Rethugs.

It's too bad the Goldwater Republicans are an extinct species now. I personally know, just in the small city where I live, a substantial number of former Goldwater Republicans who now belong to the Democratic Party.

This is the kind of individual liberty that the Republicans used to stand for. It's sad that they have degenerated into the theo-con neo-fascist Moron-American-voting-bloc-pandering Rethugs that we are surrounded with today. Were it not so tragic for our nation, it would be laughable.

[Source: Congressional Record, September 16, 1981, quoted here]

24 Comments:

pepsiholic said...

That's funny since we say the same thing about the democratic party... how they actually used to stand for individual freedom, helping other countries prosper, and... they used to be patriotic.

Now days they are nothing but anti-trade, anti-capitalists, anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-guns, anti-free speech, anti-family,anti-Semitic, anti-God, anti-jokes, anti-wealth, anti-Walmart, Anti-Exxon, Halliburton...

Farnsworth68 said...

Why do you hate America so much?

pepsiholic said...

Why do you keep on calling me a liberal?

Farnsworth68 said...

No, really. Why do you hate America so much?

Farnsworth68 said...

Anyone who spits out such unwarranted vituperation against fellow Americans must hate this country.
Why do you hate America so much?

pepsiholic said...

"Anyone who spits out such unwarranted vituperation against fellow Americans must hate this country."

Oh, I think it's entirely warranted.

Anti-trade: Democrats are against CAFTA http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/05/AR2005070501345_pf.html

Anti-capitalists: Democrats think the government should run everything from the health care to the oil wells.

Anti-Bush: What, are you saying you are for Bush?

Anti-war: Yes, a lot of democrats are against any war.

Anti-guns:How do Democrats and Republicans differ on gun control?

Generally, Democrats support gun control proposals and Republicans do not http://www.newsbatch.com/guncontrol.htm

Anti-free speech: How many liberals get attacked giving speeches compared to how many conservatives get pies, shoes thrown at them, physically assulted, making noise so speeches can't be heard. The only free speech liberals like to hear is their own.

Anti-family: Who do liberals think should raise the children? Uh.... let's see... how about "It takes a village" Not mom and dad any more... you need the village elders input... codeword, government.

Anti-semitic: Just look at any anti-war rally and you'll see all the signs blaming Israel and Bush http://www.zombietime.com/global_day_of_action_march_18_2006/

anti-god: See Farns

Anti-joke: Did you hear the one about the spick the pollack and the jew... of course you didn't. That would be politically incorrect. It might hurt someone's feelings!

Anti-Walmart... Need I go any further??? As you can see, all the vituperations were warrented.

Why do liberals hate the United States?

drainbamage said...

Hey Farns... I think PH is a fox new reporter. I have heard this crap before and I am pretty sure it was Fox.

Farnsworth68 said...

DB, I think the poor boy is delusional. I really do. I think he's secretly a 37-year-old psycho-sexual invert whose never had a date except with his hand, and who lives in his mother's basement with his pajama fly hanging open so anyone can get a good look at something that looks like a thimble wearing a fright wig.
If he weren't so entertaining, I'd think it was sad.
It's kind of cute how he trots out all those "Dems are Anti" rants, as if he's suddenly proven Fermat's Last Theorem (Note to PH: Too late, dude, Andrew Wiles done beat ya to it).
Were I so inclined, I could easily come up with an equally fatuous illustration of things the Rethugs are anti (e.g., peace, civil rights, equality of women, the constitution, etc. etc. etc.), but it's not worth my time. I wouldn't find that particularly bit of sophistry entertaining, not nearly as much as watching him spin out of control.

Another Vet Regular Reader said...

So, Farns, how come pepsi didn't try to refute what you already said about the Republicans - "It's sad that they have degenerated into the theo-con neo-fascist Moron-American-voting-bloc-pandering Rethugs that we are surrounded with today." Your right, he decays pretty fast into temper tantrums. And didn't you post a blog about It Takes a Village a long time ago?

Farnsworth68 said...

To AVRR--
Wow, dude. You are a "constant reader". And you are correct, that was way back in July 2005, in a post called Village vs Community -- No Comparison, taking on Little Ricky Santorum's then-new book:

At one point he called Hilary Clinton a radical feminist because, among other things, her book, It Takes a Village, held that it took more than just a family to raise a child. In the same sentence he also said, "we need strong families and strong communities"...
So I guess in Little Ricky's microscopic view of the world, there is a H-U-U-U-G-E difference between a village and a community. It's just those of us on the lunatic fringe, here in the reality-based community, that can't see it.
BTW, the idea of life in American small towns of the 1950s is at the very core and is the epitome of the idealized vision of Republican values. And, as anyone who ever lived in a small town in those days can attest, everyone knew you, everyone knew your parents, and if you got out of line, either they would correct you themselves, or rat you off to your parents.
And that my friends is the very definition of It Takes A Village.

I find it amusing that everyone in the wingnut fringe came out in lockstep, using the exactly same language, to criticize Hillary's book, especially since obviously not a single one of them has actually read it.
You've evidently been here almost from the beginning? Why haven't you commented before?

pepsiholic said...

"Were I so inclined, I could easily come up with an equally fatuous illustration of things the Rethugs are anti (e.g., peace, civil rights, equality of women, the constitution, etc. etc. etc.), but it's not worth my time. I wouldn't find that particularly bit of sophistry entertaining, not nearly as much as watching him spin out of control."

Oh, what do you call this?


It's sad that they have degenerated into the theo-con neo-fascist Moron-American-voting-bloc-pandering Rethugs that we are surrounded with today.

You seem to be the only one flailing Farns.

pepsiholic said...

"BTW, the idea of life in American small towns of the 1950s is at the very core and is the epitome of the idealized vision of Republican values."

Hell ya... back then when a kid got out of line, you could wallop him, if he mouthed off to the teacher, he'd get the paddle.

Today, that kind of discipline would get you thrown in jail, sued and cause the loss of your job... all thanks to liberals.

Farnsworth68 said...

Again, nice try, but you're missing the point. Again.
Why do you hate America so much?

Farnsworth68 said...

Look up fatuous and especially sophistry before you ask "what do you call this". A generic list of offensive adjectives is not sophistry -- as your list was not. It was just stupid.
No, the sophistry came in when you attempted to "reason" it out.
Why do you hate America so much?

Farnsworth68 said...

As usual, you evade the point. Did it take a "community" (i.e., a village) back in the 50s or not? Was it a good thing or not?
You seem to agree, yet your visceral hatred of all things Clinton gets in your way and refuses to allow you to be rational about it.
Have you actually READ the book, or are you as usual relying on your marching orders from Der Monkey Fuehrer?
Why do you hate America so much?

pepsiholic said...

Actually Farns, I grew up on a farm in the late 50's. It didn't take a village since we lived out in the country.

It's liberal values I hate, not Clinton. There is no personal responsibility any more, everything is the fault of the environment, their parents, everything except on where it belongs... the individual himself.

Hey Farns, can you please link me to articles or photos showing liberals marching against the illegal Balkans war? Nah, I didn't think so.

Farnsworth68 said...

So am I to assume from this that you have not read the book? That, as I presumed, you are merely regurgitating the spew fed to you by the rightwing talk radio dicks that you revere? That you are, as I guessed, so enamored with your hatred of everything liberal that your judgement has been impaired to the point where you now love Big Brother?
I guess you have finally exceeded your entertainment value. You can go ahead and post here -- unlike your compatriots over on the rightwing blogosphere, I don't edit or delete posts that I don't agree with -- but I'm through responding. I did have some hopes for you, but your last two posts reveal yourself to be the lowlife unthinking lockstep radical wingnut that I always knew you were. You add nothing to this conversation and I have nothing more to say to you. You'll eventually get tired of spewing your brand of hatred to an unhearing audience and go somewhere else where you can get a reaction. That's really all you want, isn't it? How are things in your mother's basement, by the way? Does she know how her brilliant but unloved son spends his spare time -- which he has a bunch of since I'm sure no one would hire him to be anything except a tampon strainer?
And I guess I'll never get to find out why you hate America so much. But somehow I'll find a way to pull together the shattered pieces of my life and go on.

Another Vet Regular Reader said...

Figures he grew up on a farm (nudge nudge wink wink).
I'm not quite the constant reader you think, I stumbled on your blog last fall and I've been following it since then, but I did go back in the archive and get caught up.
Good work, keep it up, and you're doing the right thing by ignoring the little prick. Like a spoiled two year old all he wants is the attention. Deprive him of it and he'll turn elsewhere for his weird kind of gratification.
He claims that he is some kind of newkewlar scientist. Oh sure, that's believable!

pepsiholic said...

Another Vet Regular Reader said...

"He claims that he is some kind of newkewlar scientist. Oh sure, that's believable!"

Lol, I love how liberals do that... They get intimidated and they start saying... how do we really know that's true... For your info, I served aboard the submarines, Bolivar and Woodrow Wilson... both NUCLEAR subs. From there it's a very short step to nuclear power plants. In fact I would say that about 50% of the Operators, Radiation Techs, Chem Techs, Electricians, Instrements and Controls people come from the nuclear navy.

pepsiholic said...

Lol Farns, you're the "pissed off veteran", not me. I can't help it that you couldn't make more out of your life and now are bitter. What threw you over the edge? Being an auditor? It must have sucked having to work for the government. The people I saw who worked in the government were there for one reason. They were so incompetent that they wouldn't be able to hold down a real job in the outside world.

Is that why you are so full of hate Farns???

pepsiholic said...

Farns ol buddy, come lay down on the couch and tell me your problems:

How are things in your mother's basement, by the way? Does she know how her brilliant but unloved son spends his spare time -- which he has a bunch of since I'm sure no one would hire him to be anything except a tampon strainer?


Ah... so Farns, you're telling me that the wife doesn't love you anymore, the kids keep you locked away in the basement and you can't get a job because your a stupid fuck... why didn't you say so in the first place.

Hell yeah, I'd be pissed off too

pepsiholic said...

Another Vet Regular Reader said...
"Figures he grew up on a farm (nudge nudge wink wink)."

He also talks about mens dicks... Farns, this is someone who you definitely want to keep away from your grandkids... Another Vet seems to be one of those perverts who probably like children.

pepsiholic said...

"I did have some hopes for you"

Why is that Farns? Most white males don't buy into the democratic B.S. There are some idiots that still do though. Lets see what the democratic leadership council said in 2000:

In 2000, in a Democratic Leadership Council study called "The White Male Problem," William A. Galston, former deputy assistant for domestic policy under Bill Clinton, identified the problem. Beginning with Great Society programs, he highlighted a series of factors that turned white males off the Democratic Party.

He writes, "By the 2000 presidential election, the majority of upscale white men came to believe that they needed nothing from government except to be left alone, while many downscale whitemen concluded that government either did not understand how to help them or did not care enough to do so. Because differing attitudes toward the role of government continue to define the left-right continuum in American politics, the rise of antigovernment sentiment among white men produced a shift toward ideological conservatism.

"And because the major political parties have become more ideologically polarized, this shift in white male sentiment led inexorably to a move away from the Democrats."

The problem ismucholder than Obama's political career. No Democratic candidate for president has won more than 43 percent of the white male vote since 1976.
http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/707903.html

Actually Farns, I was hoping that you would see the stupidity of the liberal way...

Anonymous said...

I see you enjoy some classic literture. Tell me, what is your impression/thoughts on "Atlas Shrugged"?